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(insects chirping)

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CARLO:
Yeah, I started
the hostility log thing

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-this week.
-PETER: How's that working out?

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CARLO:
Oh, yeah, good. Yeah. Um...

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Had a bit of a situation
Wednesday with somebody.

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Yeah, it was just-just some guy

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eyeballing me at the pub.

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But I was getting pretty pissed,

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and I used the stop technique,

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you know, we spoke about.
So, yeah.

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It's... I'm-I'm getting
pretty good at it,

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-so that's good.
-PETER: Great.

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Um... Ray, how have you been?

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Yeah, good, mate.

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-PETER: Yeah?
-Yep.

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Is there anything
you want to talk about?

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Nah, I'm good.

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PETER:
Are you sure?

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-Nothing at all?
-(Ray chuckles)

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I beat my, uh, girlfriend's
brother up over Christmas.

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(inhales deeply)
Okay.

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(coughs)
Um...

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What happened?

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I went round
to her parents' place,

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and, um...

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Yeah, we did the whole, uh,
Secret Santa thing.

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Me daughter got
this unicorn candle,

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which she was
pretty chuffed about,

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and, uh, me girlfriend's brother
decided he wanted it,

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and when it was his turn,
he, uh, took it off her.

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-So you assaulted him?
-Well, he was being
a dickhead, so,

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-you know.
-PETER: So you assaulted him?

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Eh, pretty much.

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And how did your girlfriend
feel about this?

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Well, she's not my girlfriend
anymore, so...

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VINCE:
Shit.

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-Sorry, mate.
-Mm.

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PETER:
I mean, uh, you know,

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without wanting to state
the obvious,

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can you see how violence

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is perhaps not the best way

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for you to resolve
your disputes?

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No, I think it generally is.

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But, you know, just don't do it

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in front of your girlfriend,
you know?

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(all chuckle)

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PETER:
Uh, what's great

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about it? I mean,
it doesn't seem to have worked

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-for you this time.
-RAY: Yeah, well,
sometimes it does,

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sometimes it doesn't, you know?

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PETER:
Can you give me one example

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of violence ever working?

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World War II.

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-World War II.
-RAY: Mm-hmm.

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We didn't beat the Nazis

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just by talking to them.

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We used violence.

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PETER:
Okay, sure.
So every now and then,

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violence is necessary
as a last resort.

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But for you,

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uh, with your girlfriend's
brother,

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I mean, would you call that
an example of violence working?

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Yeah, look, I shouldn't
have done what I did.

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You know,
I'm not making excuses.

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But I don't think you can say

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that all violence is bad.
I mean,

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I think there's good violence
and bad violence.

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What's good violence?

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World War II.

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Thanks, Vince.

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Um...

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-Yeah.
-Uh, all right,

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maybe it's about time.

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Maybe we should leave it there.

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Thank you, everyone.
Thank you.

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(grunts)

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-(Ray humming a tune)
-NARRATOR (on TV): German
forces had already moved in

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and now occupied
the abbey ruins in force.

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Here you go, mate.
You can have the fatty bit.

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-Mate, you didn't
even chew that.
-Meanwhile, in the town below,

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the 28th Maori battalion

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had led a successful attack
on the casino railway station,

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only to then become trapped
and cut off from their support

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across the river.

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-(machine guns firing)
-(bullets whizzing)